Spencer Charnas wears his love of horror on his sleeve. Severely, he is usually photographed in a custom-made Freddy Krueger sweater. His Jason Voorhees masks, the Michael Myers model butcher knife, and Springwood Slasher glove have all been brandished onstage. It is simply the tip of the icepick – er, iceberg – for the style obsessed Ice 9 Kills frontman. The Silver Scream, the band’s Billboard 200 charting 2018 album, is a conceptually pushed love letter to horror, with songs based mostly round A Nightmare On Elm Road, Friday the thirteenth, Scream, and Silent Evening, Lethal Evening, amongst different classics. In a current episode of the PopCurse podcast, offered by Movieweb, the Massachusetts native went in-depth about his love for The Shining, Stanley Kubrick’s masterpiece adaptation of Stephen King’s novel a few author’s descent into insanity. His band’s 2020 five-song EP, Undead & Unplugged Stay from the Overlook Lodge, was recorded on the real-life location that served as inspiration for King’s story. Among the many multitude of subjects lined within the wide-ranging chat, Charnas defined how his band discovered themselves staring on the masks from Eyes Large Shut and the Greatest Visible Results Oscar for 2001: A House Odyssey on the Kubrick household property, Childwickbury Manor, in Hertfordshire, England.
The Shining debuted 40 years in the past this 12 months. What was your first encounter with this movie?
Spencer Charnas: I consider I used to be launched to the movie from the iconography that form of got here together with it. After I would go to shops in New England, like Newberry comics, I used to be in all probability six or seven years outdated, going to purchase a White Zombie or Nirvana shirt. I wished my partitions to be lined with actually cool posters. I might take a look at posters, looking for my favourite bands. And there would usually in these form of shops be some stuff from like Reservoir Canine or Goodfellas. One distinguished picture I bear in mind scrolling by on these poster racks was that picture of Jack Nicholson coming by the door, which turned burned into my psyche. ‘What is that this? What is that this film, The Shining? It sounds so cool.’ Later, I used to be finally allowed to lease The Shining. I used to be an avid slasher fan at that time, however this was the primary time I noticed a film that was extra a psychological thriller, filmed in a kind of manner that was a bit avant-garde. It launched me to that kind of off the overwhelmed path model of filmmaking. I bear in mind being blown away by it. It is one of many few within the horror style that is like that, that I actually love, as a result of I’m extra of a slasher man on the whole. 40 years later, we’re nonetheless speaking about it, so clearly, they did one thing proper.
A lot of individuals are conscious of the extra well-known scenes, however what I used to be struck by a number of years in the past, seeing a extremely nice print of it at a Cinespia screening in Los Angeles, was what an expertise the film is; it is so immersive and surreal, from begin to end. The vibe is simply unimaginable.
Spencer Charnas: I agree. It is that tone that permeates by the whole movie. Even how the minimalized musical rating enhances his descent into insanity. You possibly can’t admire that from simply the type of popular culture beats; it’s a must to watch it utterly. You hear about Stanley Kubrick [being] a perfectionist. I actually respect how devoted he was to his craft.
Probably the most hanging elements is the thought of the setting as a personality. The lodge, even with out the supernatural factor; the maze; the drives up the mountain; all of it feels so alive.
Spencer Charnas: Completely. It is just like the lodge is that this entity, and you are feeling it getting sinister with each kind of flip of the tricycle. It is a type of movies the place each shot, each minimize, the whole lot feels so intentional. I am at all times blown away once I see that film. I often choose up one thing new that I did not discover earlier than. It undoubtedly modified the best way that I take into consideration horror.
It is loopy that critics weren’t keen on it at first.
Spencer Charnas: I used to be stunned to study lately that it was nominated for 2 Razzies. I imply, that is insane to me, wow. Worst Director for Stanley Kubrick, Worst Actress for Shelly Duvall.
It is my understanding that King was in opposition to casting Nicholson, as a result of his persona from different movies would tip the viewers off too early about his descent into insanity. He needs to be seen as a traditional, likable man on the outset. Time, after all, has confirmed that mistaken. I guess there are lots of people who affiliate ‘Here is Johnny!’ extra with The Shining than The Tonight Present.
Spencer Charnas: That is one of the vital well-known strains of the movie, which was added by Nicholson. I suppose Kubrick did not even know what he was referencing. That is what I learn. He simply he cherished the supply. And thank God, clearly, as a result of that is one of many in all probability essentially the most iconic strains. A part of the genius of Kubrick was that he wasn’t trying on the brief time period; he made movies to face the take a look at of time. We’re of a technology that wasn’t so conscious of Nicholson earlier than this; my first occasions seeing him had been in all probability this or possibly because the Joker in Batman. Maybe King’s level about his casting affected a few of these evaluations, however 40 years on, individuals see the film as an excellent murals; it is a testomony to Kubrick having a perspective that wasn’t so within the second.
My dad turned 81 this 12 months. I am positive when he noticed The Shining in 1980, he was conscious of who Scatman Crothers was beforehand. Whereas I’ve solely a obscure understanding of him outdoors of The Shining. This film is my main affiliation with him. As you level out, Kubrick was apparently in a position to see previous these fast associations, with a protracted view for the way it might play. I’ve learn that previous to Nicholson, Kubrick thought of Robert DeNiro and Robin Williams.
Spencer Charnas: If Robin Williams had been solid in that, how would which have modified the trajectory of his profession? I might see that. DeNiro would undoubtedly have finished an amazing job.
The ‘What If?’ universe the place the position went to Christopher Reeve, like, how would that popular culture subversion of expectations play? That will have glad King’s issues possibly.
Spencer Charnas: Sure, Robin Williams, Christopher Reeve, even Harrison Ford would have had that kind of ‘in opposition to sort’ form of factor.
We have now to speak about your private and inventive collision with The Shining. There’s the tune, “Enjoy Your Slay,” and this 12 months’s EP, Undead & Unplugged Stay from the Overlook Lodge. However there’s additionally your reference to Kubrick’s household and the Kubrick property within the UK.
Spencer Charnas: It’s an fascinating story. We weren’t but ready to get nice presents to assist greater bands, so we determined to simply headline our personal tour of Europe. I used to be tasked with discovering opening bands the tour. One group particularly, Shields from the UK, struck me as fairly cool. We took them on tour and have become very pleasant with them. We had a day without work earlier than our present in London and the band’s guitarist, Sam, a really good man, supplied to allow us to stick with him. An invite to somebody’s home, in an unfamiliar nation and when your band cannot actually afford nice lodging, is [very cool]. Our tour supervisor had met Shields earlier than this tour. He says, ‘You realize who the guitarist is, proper? He is Stanley Kubrick’s grandson. We’ll keep on the Kubrick property.’ I am like, ‘Are you messing with me? Is that this a joke?’ We stayed within the barn the place Sam’s grandfather used to edit his movies, the place he minimize The Shining. Sam was an extremely gracious host. He gave us free reign to dig by packing containers! I noticed the unique audio reel from Full Metallic Jacket. One room in the principle home had the masks from Eyes Large Shut on the wall.
It is like being allowed right into a museum after hours.
Spencer Charnas: Sure, like a private VIP expertise, you recognize? We noticed Stanley’s private library, which was clearly very spectacular, with a type of ladders that slides. All of his awards are there; his Academy Award for 2001: A House Odyssey is there. We met Sam’s father and household. Stanley Kubrick, after all, died in 1999. He is truly buried on the property. They had been all simply so type. We have had a heat relationship with them for years since. They had been good sufficient to retailer our gear there, so we would not must ship it each time we got here to Europe.
The inside lodge stuff was finished on a set, at Elstree Studios in Hertfordshire, England. The outside photographs are literally the Timberline Lodge, in Mount Hood, Oregon. Ice 9 Kills carried out on the Stanley Lodge, in Estes Park, Colorado, the place King truly stayed in 1973.
Spencer Charnas: It was loopy. We had been within the midst of a radio marketing campaign, doing loads of morning radio performances, the place you are available in and play acoustically within the morning. It may be very tough, to come back in at 7 a.m. after sleeping for 2 hours on a tour bus. A station in Colorado was good sufficient to ask us to the Stanley Lodge. It was a small, intimate present, solely 200 tickets out there. We went as much as Room 217 – which was modified to 237 within the movie – the place Stephen King stayed. We heard loads of tales in regards to the paranormal exercise had thought to have existed on the lodge. Considered one of my favourite comedies, Dumb and Dumber, filmed there. They advised us that Jim Carrey requested to keep in Room 217. He apparently awoke in the midst of the evening, ran out of the room, and advised the individuals on the entrance desk, ‘Get me out of this lodge!’ I am not saying whether or not the story is true or not. I extremely suggest trying out that lodge. It is stunning.
The remainder of the dialog features a dialogue of the animosity between Kubrick and King; the extra trustworthy TV adaptation; the Cursed Movies sequence on Shudder; final 12 months’s sequel, Physician Sleep, starring Ewan McGregor; the varied conspiracy theories about The Shining, and extra. Hearken to the whole PopCurse episode with Spencer Charnas of Ice 9 Kills proper now.